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beex
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All 4 were to blame, Neill, Spector, Ferdi & Parker.
Biased generalisations below:
Neill is guilty of galloping up field and leaving his teammates exposed, I'm all for attaking defenders but not when you give the ball away as much as he does.
Spector shouldn't be in the team, utility player, I really don't rate him at all but admit that Curbs had no choice on Satdee.
Ferdi seems to have a problem in getting stuck in at the moment, which is a confidence thing. I'm hoping that when Upson returns then he'll get better.
Parker, can't fault his work rate, bit of a classic british midfielder (passes sideways more than forward) Gets stuck in. Not in love with him as much as Munky (but then who is??)
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Dave
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| beex wrote: | Spector shouldn't be in the team, utility player, I really don't rate him at all but admit that Curbs had no choice on Satdee.
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He's 22 - don't think many people realise that. There's plenty of time for him to develop and I'm pleased with how much he has come on this season - could be a good player in a few years time. Remember how begining of the season people thought McCartney wasn't a first choice player? Now he's one of the first on the team sheet.
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norven munky
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Davros wrote: | | But reckon it also lies with Spector allowing them all onside when needed to step up with Anton. Yes he had to come across. But Anton should have also realised danger and done bit better as well. Parker giving it away like that while committed forward didn't help but I don't blame him. . |
I think its very very harsh to suggest Spector should take any of the blame..they weren't playing offside trap, it was just a brain snap by Anton to go missing at a time when Neill was already up the pitch. Spector was being responsible, not caught out.
Likewise it's harsh on Parker..yes he only walked after he lost it but he had just run 40 or 50 metres with the ball.
As for Neill in general, in this case it was Parker who lost the ball but if I had a quid for every time he goes galloping up field thinking he's Grosso or Zambrotta and has a cheap turnover so that we get caught on the break, I'd be rich.
The key is 'cheap' turnover. You need to distribute it in such a way that regardless of whether you are effective or not, at least you have time to get back. Neill almost picks it up and hands it to them and says I'll count to 10 before I start chasing.
One of two things must happen to Neill :-
1) AC demands that he stays put at FB and spends 100% of his energy and concentration on defending. Or
2) sell him.
I vote for 2.
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beex
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, I was harsh on Spector, on the whole he has done well when called on. I just don't rate him that highly overall. Maybe as Dave said he'll do a Stella in time?
Don't think we're in a position to sell Neill yet but some of his performances warrant it.
It must be concession day for me, I spose Parker needs time but he aint my sorta player, maybe when we get a real playmaker in he'll shine.
God, I think I'm getting soft in me old age and starting to agree with people....fook!!
CURBS OUT STILL THO'! (ahh, that feels better!) 
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norven munky
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:24 pm Post subject: |
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| beex wrote: | I spose Parker needs time but he aint my sorta player, maybe when we get a real playmaker in he'll shine.
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before Parker got injured (again) he was TOP SHELF for us. Looked good and was very composed going forward and around the edge of the box.
Watch him closely when he gets fully match fit Beexie and you WILL become a fan, trust me 
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TheRedRisky
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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Despite losing the ball for thew goal i thought Parker still looked very good on saturday. He played against spurs from memory and he was one of the bright sparks on that dismal dismal day.
When we played everton twice in the 1 week, i remember him diving to head the ball away from cahill and got kicked in the head for his trouble. He shows alot of commitment and i feel thats something we've been lacking.
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Davros
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| norven munky wrote: |
I think its very very harsh to suggest Spector should take any of the blame..they weren't playing offside trap, it was just a brain snap by Anton to go missing at a time when Neill was already up the pitch. Spector was being responsible, not caught out.
Likewise it's harsh on Parker..yes he only walked after he lost it but he had just run 40 or 50 metres with the ball.
As for Neill in general, in this case it was Parker who lost the ball but if I had a quid for every time he goes galloping up field thinking he's Grosso or Zambrotta and has a cheap turnover so that we get caught on the break, I'd be rich.
The key is 'cheap' turnover. You need to distribute it in such a way that regardless of whether you are effective or not, at least you have time to get back. Neill almost picks it up and hands it to them and says I'll count to 10 before I start chasing.
One of two things must happen to Neill :-
1) AC demands that he stays put at FB and spends 100% of his energy and concentration on defending. Or
2) sell him.
I vote for 2. |
Whether playing offside trap or not, still have to be aware and play it when needed. Otherwise will have whole front line sitting on last defender the whole game.
Anton been having a few brain snaps of late. Mouthing off at linesman for a yellow. People getting up Neill for same to ref and yet he is our captain.
Said don't blame Parker but don't think he collected the ball from Green's feet.
Neill is one of the better passers from the back. Some may get intercepted but not for the lack of trying to initiate something. He gave the ball to Ashton to set up Sears. Or do you see just what you want to see?
Those 2 options are ridiculous. As said previously, if don't want to play boring football and defend for 0-0, wing backs must look to do some attacking and try to create something. If that leaves us exposed at times, then so be it but that is when the midfielders should be chasing back to cover. Where was Mullins on the break when they scored OR for that matter any midfielders. They can't all go up in attack at once.
Sell the Captain. You must be daft. What he and Curbs have achieved this season is at the very least a happy team who are easily safe from relegation. Would you prefer Reo-coker back and last season's disunity?
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norven munky
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Davros wrote: | | Sell the Captain. You must be daft. What he and Curbs have achieved this season is at the very least a happy team who are easily safe from relegation. Would you prefer Reo-coker back and last season's disunity? |
Neill is not a wing back...if you wanna play wing backs then you need..err...wing backs.
For my money he's a very poor on-field captain. Maybe he does stuff off field but on-field he's pants. Mouthy. Doesn't do anything gutsy or inspiring for mine.
I said in the other thread we'd never sell him but none-the-less it's my opinion he's shit and should be sold and replaced. Barring that he has to be given orders to stay put. So much of our problems can be traced back to him galavanting upfield and turning it over quickly and us getting caught out.
You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. He's shit.
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norven munky
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| TheRedRisky wrote: | Despite losing the ball for thew goal i thought Parker still looked very good on saturday. He played against spurs from memory and he was one of the bright sparks on that dismal dismal day.
When we played everton twice in the 1 week, i remember him diving to head the ball away from cahill and got kicked in the head for his trouble. He shows alot of commitment and i feel thats something we've been lacking. |
Parker is the full biscuit...we just need him to stay fit.
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xloserfishx
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| norven munky wrote: | | Parker is the full biscuit...we just need him to stay fit. |
I'm sure you could say that about most of the West Ham squad 
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Davros
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| norven munky wrote: | | Davros wrote: | | Sell the Captain. You must be daft. What he and Curbs have achieved this season is at the very least a happy team who are easily safe from relegation. Would you prefer Reo-coker back and last season's disunity? |
Neill is not a wing back...if you wanna play wing backs then you need..err...wing backs.
For my money he's a very poor on-field captain. Maybe he does stuff off field but on-field he's pants. Mouthy. Doesn't do anything gutsy or inspiring for mine.
I said in the other thread we'd never sell him but none-the-less it's my opinion he's shit and should be sold and replaced. Barring that he has to be given orders to stay put. So much of our problems can be traced back to him galavanting upfield and turning it over quickly and us getting caught out.
You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. He's shit. |
Maybe not a wing back but he is a defender looking to attack at every opportunity. I see that as a better RB than one that stands alongside the 2 CBs all day to just defend. Would you prefer to watch a defensive game or an attacking one?
I think he is a good captain. He obviously does a lot off the field as shown when he galvanised the team last season and got them working together. He was also the man in front of camera not reo-coker.
Just because he is mouthy, doesn't make him bad captain on the field. If anything, you want your captain taking charge on the field, mouthy or not. Are you saying Keane was bad captain cause he was mouthy.
Gutsy or inspiring? Who is? Let's see. Ashton did one inspiring thing I saw, when he chased back after losing the ball. Does that make him a good captain - no. Or would Tevez - no.
I think Neill is gutsy in that he doesn't shirk responsibility and gets in when required. He also seems to have the respect of the team which is vitally important.
Do you watch the Aussie side or do you dislike all Aussie players? He captains them well also.
| Quote: | | So much of our problems can be traced back to him galavanting upfield and turning it over quickly and us getting caught out. |
Really. So noone else is at fault. Also you don't attribute anything good from his performances either. Did the pass to Ashton for Sears goal happen by magic? What about the ball to Zam against Arse last season? What about clearing the ball between 2 defenders last game?
I do think Neill's fitness could improve but I wouldn't call Upson (whom some suggest as Capt) is quick. In fact, believe he was roundly criticised early this season.
Imo he is good for the team and should stay. AC can see that as well. None of us know what happens in the background but think the team has done pretty well this season so far. Do you not agree?
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norven munky
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Davros wrote: | | Maybe not a wing back but he is a defender looking to attack at every opportunity. I see that as a better RB than one that stands alongside the 2 CBs all day to just defend. Would you prefer to watch a defensive game or an attacking one? |
If the RB is capable of it sure, sign me up. LN ain't capable of it for the reason's I've stated.
| Davros wrote: | | I think he is a good captain. He obviously does a lot off the field as shown when he galvanised the team last season and got them working together. |
Assuming facts not in evidence. We turned it around cause Neill did something off field? Do me a fucking lemon.
| Davros wrote: | | Just because he is mouthy, doesn't make him bad captain on the field. If anything, you want your captain taking charge on the field, mouthy or not. Are you saying Keane was bad captain cause he was mouthy. |
Keane could afford to be mouthy, because a) he was playing for manure and they are the golden boys who can do as they fucking please and not get called for it and b) he is the epitomy of a gutsy inspiring captain. LN isn't a shoelace in RK's boot.
| Davros wrote: | | Gutsy or inspiring? Who is? Let's see. Ashton did one inspiring thing I saw, when he chased back after losing the ball. Does that make him a good captain - no. Or would Tevez - no. |
Did I say I wanted to make Ashton or Tevez captain ffs? Ashton has been a lazy lump of shit for the last 2 months. He's now starting to get back to something like we expect but I've not said he would make a good captain. And Tezez last time I fucking looked doesn't play for us any more. Being foreign and located in Manchester he might have his fucking work cut out for him.
| Davros wrote: | | I think Neill is gutsy in that he doesn't shirk responsibility and gets in when required. He also seems to have the respect of the team which is vitally important. |
Fuck nose what game you're watching. And to know that he has the respect of the team? Mind reader as well apparently. Get yourself a show on foxtel there's good money in it apparently.
| Quote: | | Do you watch the Aussie side or do you dislike all Aussie players? He captains them well also. |
Yeah I'm a regular fucking aussie basher me. Born & fucking bred here. I would sell my young fella to get Cahill to the Boleyn. Ok that's an exaggeration, my nipper means the world to me.
| Quote: | | Really. So noone else is at fault. Also you don't attribute anything good from his performances either. Did the pass to Ashton for Sears goal happen by magic? What about the ball to Zam against Arse last season? What about clearing the ball between 2 defenders last game? |
Did I say "all of our problems can be traced back to Neill"? No. You need to get yourself a 2nd eye Davros (pun intended) and look at what I actually said.
The balance sheet tells me that LN fucks up more than he gets a result. You've picked something he did last game - offset that against him not being at RB for the 1st goal when we needed him there. An then you've gotta dig up clearing the ball between 2 defenders (whoa he must be the dogs) and then go back to last season (regular fucking RK ain't he.)
| Quote: | | but I wouldn't call Upson (whom some suggest as Capt) is quick. In fact, believe he was roundly criticised early this season. |
Not sure where you are getting Upson criticism from..the circles I mix in and read have been singing his praises for as long as he's been playing for us.
| Quote: | | None of us know what happens in the background but think the team has done pretty well this season so far. Do you not agree? |
A second ago you credited him for turning it round last season with what he did off field. Now you admit we don't have a clue about that shit.
We have done tremendously well this season given the horrendous injuries. But that ain't down to LN IMHO.
There's a whole bunch of reason's but IMHO none of them include the letters LN.
Now read this next bit real slow. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. You say he's a regular Keano super captain leaping tall buildings in a single bound. I say he's shit. Simple.
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norven munky
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I'm just yanking your chain btw, I do think LN is shit but I'm not that fired up by it or you
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Dave
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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| norven munky wrote: | I would sell my young fella to get Cahill to the Boleyn. Ok that's an exaggeration, my nipper means the world to me.
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Damn I was about to make you an offer when I read that. Having got a daughter first time around I'd have paid good wedge to guarantee a son.
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beggers
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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Jebus settle petals.......
Nice not to be the bloke getting wound up for a change.
By the way LN is world class! Puts on tin hat.
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